MJ Makes Gays Cry (for fun)

Joining me this week is MJ, Matti Joy (find her @pucc.io)! Although she mentioned her self proclaimed "sad clown" energy, she is also such an expressive, fierce, powerful human out here making the gays cry. In this one, we talk about musicianhood, showing up in relationships, self discovery, flip phones, and not taking shortcuts to getting to the root of things.

She can pack a punch in 30 minutes, right?? Thank you MJ!

Thank you for listening :)

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Intro Song created and produced by Nick Kauffman: https://www.instagram.com/nickaxelkauffman/?hl=en